A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. Murder of Bagby: Shirley Jane Turner: First-degree murder ( died before standing trial) Zachary Andrew Turner (18 July 2002 - 18 August 2003) [2] : 78 was a boy from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada, who was murdered by his mother, Shirley Jane Turner, in a murder-suicide. Neither speaks for the other. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. Thus, the film largely revolves around Andrew's death and the impact it had on his friends and family. helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. This is tragically cut with one of Andrew's friends remembering that he was never latewhich is how he knew, when Andrew didn't arrive to his house as planned, that something was terribly wrong. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. My heart goes out to Mr. and Mrs. Bagby. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. The workers notes say Turner spent most of the time talking about a planned interview with CBSs 48 Hours. The TV news magazine would give her a chance to tell her side of the story. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. Nor do the memories, starting with the Nov. 6, 2001, phone call. Add a bio, trivia, and more. And that little boy. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. "This was our goal," said Bagby. I would really like for you and Kate. Turner, a general practitioner, was 42 when she killed herself and her son. Kurt's film, meanwhile, was released last year and hailed in the US as one of 2008's most moving documentaries. It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife. "We had a complete meltdown," says David. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. A three-volume report released in 2006 by coroner Peter Markesteyn blamed fundamental flaws in the province's social services for Zachary's preventable death. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. ?I knew what Zachary's fate would be long before it was written about here but it was shattering to read of it from his grandfather's perspective. I had this overwhelming feeling. You can, just--there's nothing. This is a heartbreaking book written about Andrew Bagby and also about his son Zachary by Andrew's dad David Bagby. The movie had me in tears and in rage all at once. Change is slow. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. Then she killed his brother. That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. In July 2002 she gave birth to a boy. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. The couple were so scared of upsetting Turner and losing access to Zachary they forced themselves to be cordial. Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. Some changes, including increased spending and a review of social worker training, have been made to the child protection system since the tragedy. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. Hed walk a little and then, boom, hed fall down.. Did anyone have more friends than he? Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. Cpl. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. More appropriately, it is written assuming we know the story and want to find out details of the why and the how. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. She studied international business and marketing before finding her passion for writing. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. Fans loved all of the drama this couple had, on the show so let's hope season three brings just as much heat! "They are appalled and outraged.". And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. The decision was put on hold, however, with an appeal hearing scheduled for September. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. From the first episode, it seemed Kate was more invested in the relationship than David. The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. She was here.' Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. He was jolly.. They moved to Newfoundland to give the legal battle their full attention but Turner remained at large. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. Cpl. As someone very invested in this story, I am enjoying this book so far. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. While they could not have foreseen the murder or their son, Andrew, they did everything they could to keep their grandson, Zachery, safe. killing Zachary in a murder-suicide. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. He had been shot five times - in the face, chest, twice in the buttocks and once in the back of the head. Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. The court allowed the Bagbys supervised visits with Zachary. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. The Turner report says their relationship soon deteriorated. Zachary didn't seem like. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. He said, `The psychotic bitch. Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. Father murdered. First published in 2007, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss follows Andrew's family as they . By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. "Kate and I are very close and that helps. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. Their bodies were later washed up on a beach. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). Meeting her at 6. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). Very, very serious. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. Its rage with me, he says. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. I'm absolutely sure. Then, in August 2003, Shirley Turner killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. I was just gone. We. Instead they focused on their physician sons legacy, while contemplating ways to honor his memory. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. I rarely give anything a perfect score, but the reason I'm not this time is simply because it was too sad. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. But did they manage to make it through the separation unscathed? Kate and David married five months later. There was the swimming pool and the pool table and the parents who were always there, but never in the way. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? This story broke my heart. The world is a better place because David and Kate are in it! It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. In one of the infamous bonfires, David's threesome with two of the single women was shown to Kate. All Access Digital offer for just 99 cents! After all the backlash he received for his behavior, however, his decision to step away from the spotlight isn't surprising. When I was growing up, she just seemed like just a normal mom, Sheers, 24, says. Such memories are happy and hard. Mackenzie spent a semester studying abroad in Dublin, and has had the travel bug ever since. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. They dated for about a year before leaving Canada. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? I think about the Bagby family all the time. Or it's in the car. They would go to Pennsylvania to collect the body and belongings of their only child. Shirley Turner, a 40-year-old mother of three and Andrew's on-off girlfriend, had fled a bloodstained scene littered with incriminating evidence. Trigger warnings for murder, stalking, abuse, and child murder.The Bagbys are saints and seeing the story as it played out for them was better than any true crime book I have read. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. he was fussy at all. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. Tragically, this is proven exactly right when she kills Zachary. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. I didnt know Americans could quote Shakespeare.'. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. I hate it. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. MORRISON: What do you do about this? Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. It would take two weeks. But instead of folding, Kate became a volunteer advocate for foster children and started helping the parents of other murdered children. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. Just rage. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on July 4, 2017. i read this after seeing the amazing documentary and still felt the rage of the incredible injustice of it all whilst reading it. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. Zachary, how's our baby today? MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. She picked Zachary up and wandered for an hour or more along coastal roads and paths. They sometimes visited with Zachary and Turner as if nothing had happened. Just before 6 a.m. the next day, a park visitor found Andrew Bagbys frost-covered body lying face down in the parking lot. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to email a link to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Chart: Bay Area rainfall totals for this week, Contact Mike Cassidy at mcassidy@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5536. She flew back to Iowa in a rage, David Bagby says. murderer in check. I just want to get through medical school.'. Theyd fly back to Sunnyvale to hold a memorial service. This year is different. You were done. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. But of course I didn't. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. 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Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Then I can't consent to more time right now. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. The Fridays he and a classmate from Bellarmine College Preparatory would come home early and fix dinner in that kitchen. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. She. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. Copious evidence against Turner gradually came to light, and suspicion of her was compounded when she fled the country to her home in Newfoundland. Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. Specific in nature? Then, upon. MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. The Bagbys, whod already been traveling back and forth to Canada for the extradition hearings, knew what they had to do. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. The 10 most expensive reported home sales in Hayward the week of Feb. 20, Four take plea deals in wild Brentwood homicide where victim suspects shot each other, Feds charge two with robbing two San Francisco banks during the same day, One dead, another wounded in Oakland shooting. The Bagbys offered each other a balance. ago Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. In the wake of the shocking turn of events, Andrew's father, David Bagby, wrote a true crime memoir that is described as "a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system.". David and Kate Bagby,shown in this 2004 file photo. Her former lover was found dead in a parking lot at Keystone State Park in Pennsylvania,northeast of Pittsburgh. Kuenne said he's grateful that politicians championed a law that could save lives. That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. One of the best books that I have ever read. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. Very brave parents. I have to be honest, I've stopped reading this at 27%. He was such a good baby. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." No spoilers here for my friends but you must watch this film. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. For fans of true crime, this is the perfect book for you. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. Yes,Shirley Turner should have been innocent until proven guilty, but to be out on parole( with her sureties only needing to provide their signatures and not a red cent,another crime towards the innocent!!) His wife and himself also were quick to not harvest bitterness towards Turner's children,relatives,etc. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. Cpl. MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. Help contribute to IMDb. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law. Did. You can't tell them this over the phone. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. Audio CD. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. Kate, with her lovely British accent, moves between dry wit and devastating regret as she remembers. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. Right, right. And that always radiated through the house.. He went to work at Latrobe Area Hospital. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. It doesnt go away.. Id come in and Id be excited, Kate says. For more information, please see our The idea is for both individuals to be tempted by the singles, and ultimately decide if their partners are their perfect matches. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. He was the whole world to them. By the time they arrived at Turner's house, Zachary was asleep and Kate and David prepared to leave. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. They told us that they'd found the body. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. This book is more about how the justice system failed and 2 more people are dead because of it. show takes four couples who are having trouble. David has written a book about the case, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. They held their breath. Details aplenty as this book includes legal cases, quoted interviews, diary portions, and anything you can imagine.This is a complete emotional roller coaster so buckle up and be prepared. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' Those words, David says, are burned into my heart.. First, the provincial and territorial courts must determine whether the accused should be jailed in Canada as the proceedings move forward. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. KATE: I had a great childhood. They put their belongings in storage, rented out their house and moved to St. Johns, Newfoundland. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. The chief suspect for Andrew's murder was his ex-girlfriend Shirley Turner? Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. Why would she say that if he wasn't? Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. "It was like being at war," adds David. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. Sheers asked Turner to move out, which she did, but not before selling his computer and taking his camcorder with her. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. He says he would blunt his emotions, shut them off, and concentrate on the baby. On Nov. 14, a Canadian judge ruled that Turner should indeed be jailed while arguments continued on whether she should be sent back to the United States. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. was tragically killed by his mother, and thusjust like his fatherthe rest of the film focuses on the impact of his death. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. decision. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. You will get an email reminder before your trial ends. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. After seeing the documentary about this case, "Dear Zachary," I was itching to get my hands on this book. That woman then escapes to Canada while evidence against her is gathering, and then she has his baby while the extradition process drags on. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. Play trailer 2:39. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. It's great. Why don't you just take him?'. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. He said, `What can happen?'. It was a congloption, Kate says of the menu. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. will not hurt Zachary, period. I'll never understand why. Privacy Policy. 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