Are you a parent? Do you have any family that said she had OCD? God I wish she had taken the girls and just got the heck out of there. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. Gallstones form over a period of time, raised hormone levels in pregnancy contribute to them. Similarly, the anxiety caused by these obsessions can be lessened by different compulsions, such as checking (e.g., re-checking door locks, repeatedly making sure the oven is off), repeating (e.g., doing the same action or ritual over and over to be sure it was done correctly), and counting (e.g., doing things in certain numbers, counting items to certain numbers). Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. The bra thing means nothing, my daughter is big busted as well and slept in her bra when she was pregnant because her breasts that were tender were less bothersome at night if she wore one. Chris Watts advised that blankets and stuffed animals were left by the sheet which was near Shananns grave. She was not drinking while pregnant! Unfortunately, I know what its like to be strangled. Would he have cleaned up Shannans stuff if he didnt kill them? what was the deal with the blue gloves next to the bed??? Plenty of women do. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neck holds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds. Its completely obvious from videos that the wife was a nut job, self absorbed, controlling weirdo that undermined her husband constantly..so leave her ass!! They probably already had an emotional conversation before she left for Phoenix and he had made up his mind to do what he did. Lastly, he lies constantly to the police, why is this self serving story all of the sudden believable? dirty murderer! You know theres plenty of that right? I did. Shanann returned home from a business trip on the early morning hours of August 13, 2019. Page 582, 6. Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. It drives me batty to see little Cece kick her legs in joy in the videos and to know they were stopped forever. Then he felt he had to kill CeCe too. I actually don't understand this and would think the opposite would actually be true. In addition, it became clear that she used bed as a punishment. Think before you speak, Im glad he will never be out of his jail cell. @Nickhi, in answer to your question about the suitcase she might have been so exhausted and wanting to get to bed right away that she left it downstairs, figuring she would deal with it in the morning. Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported. Yes, Posted Youtube videos shows that her office was messy. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? Actually I have a sad experience of watching both my mother and brother pass away in front of me. Police came but found no sign of Celeste Watts or Bella Marie Watts. I guess we would never know and it wouldnt make any difference on his sentence. Chris is a monster. 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? But youre not thinking any further than that. August 4, 2018, 12:45 a.m.: Shanann sends her husband a long text message accusing him of failing to stand up for her after his parents exposed their daughter Celeste to nuts, which she was allergic to. The detective said not really. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? He did something to immobilize or pin down her arms. While I agree MLM is 100% a pyramid scheme and bad news and that the long term use of their products probably do more harm than good (e.g. Do you think he ninja-attacked her the moment she entered the house? In the majority of cases of asphyxiation, petechiae are formed, and Shanann exhibited none. @nickdvl. What was Shananns cause of death? The autopsy is commenced at 1730 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Celeste Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. Just a thought. At least I would have. He knew now that he had to kill Shanann because she would find out. From what I understand its not possible to swallow fluids once youre dead. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. Hello everyone, He needed to be executed. It would be tiring to lug it upstairs and she might not have wanted to make any noise. Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. Ive been sleeping in my bra during my pregnancy- because my chest hurts all the time and taking it off even to shower is extremely uncomfortable. When youre pregnant, your chest grows significantly and pretty rapidly- its completely understandable that she might have been wearing one to bed. In the case of Lacey Peterson, fecal matter *was* found in the house. In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. Im enjoying this site (first visit) and thanks for listening. I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. I sense some disciplinary issues, and Ive seen her being absolutely overwhelmed as to how to really effectively handle even the most basic of situations. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. Hes a piece of crap but make no mistake, they would be alive if not for Shannan. I think she was going to do what most of us who suspect our man of cheating would do, see who the server was, and go to the restaurant with a pic of Chris & ask who he was in there with. On Aug. 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann, 34, in their Colorado home. You may say murder itself is cowardice, but if youre the murderer, youre taking a huge risk, and if youre an introverted murderer, youre being your version of brave by physically confronting and attacking someone. Her legs would have been free, but if he was high up on her chest I doubt she would have been able to even get him with her knees, they would not have reached him. He pushes her off CeCe and strangles her with both hands ( he demonstrates ) http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. He said they had been talking about separating for a few weeks. If she was that tired, yes, Shannan could have left her suitcase and purse downstairs in her own home. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. I hope he gets what he deserves while he is in prison!!!!!! And, as you point out in one of your replies to anothers comment about the oil in her body, there was no oil in her lungs, in her stomach yes, in her lungs no. Bella was face up, so oil had oozed into her stomach and lungs. In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. Chris was photographed head to toe & didnt have one mark on his body consistent with somebody fighting for their life from being strangled. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? That could explain what possibly happened to Bella if she woke up and was going to see what was going on. She was relatively YOUNG. If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. Can anyone comment about the oil content in the one childs stomach? Little Celeste, thankfully, seemed to have no idea what was happening to her. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. For example, someone with OCD could have the thought that if they dont touch a doorknob a certain number of times an exact way, they will get a disease. Thats why the strangulation was gentle, not violent, as the hyoid was not broke, and there were no defensive wounds to her or him. The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. He didnt know what to do and was shaking. As for the one person Im referring to I think ignoring them is pretty much a good idea (: Im not a contributor to this conversation. I also believe in my heart that Shannan did not hurt her babies Rude person. If Chris *hadnt* killed them, would he have gone to so much trouble to hide the bodies? Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. Watts pleaded guilty to murdering Shanann, Celeste and Bella to avoid the death penalty. Quick as law enforcement were to respond to the crime, by the time they recovered the remains of the two little girls, they had been chemical altered beyond recognition. I see it is listed as pronounced and no estimates of time for cause of death? Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). She was organized but that is not OCD, same as me. Page 463 So she wasnt in rigor at the home and was likely just starting to show signs while he was burrying her at the site. Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. I learned all about a Sleeper/Chokeholdhated that part of SO academy, but is a great way to gain upper-hand, control over a perp and render them unconscious with one thump of my forearm on their neck/carotid artery.,, you black out immediately! This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. He didnt flip. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. I am by no means defending him. DENVER (CBS4) The district attorney in Weld County says the autopsy reports are complete for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters found dead at . There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. Thats why no defense wounds. How would you have reacted in her situation? SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. They should have been talked to later. Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. My husband and I wrestle and if he sits on my chest with my arms by my side, I cant move. How dare you blame the victim? I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. It takes 4 5 hours for a stomach to empty after eating. Kinda odd. FACT: Not the best proof, but it adds to the chance there was planning. And of course she loved her children, and she was a great mom. The autopsy noted that recovered items included oil soaked pink pajama type top with images of hearts and butterflies and a pair of oil soaked underwear.. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. A monster! But legally it was in Chriss name. Nickole Atkinson on ABC: Shanann was very OCD Anyway, this is the scenario I would paint if I were the prosecutor in the case. Of course we dont know what shes talking about. He woke up at 5 a.m. to get ready for work, and they began talking about separating. This was the 6th MLM that ShanAnn had been involved in she was apparently a MLM junkie. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. 1. ShanAnn had been in a total of 6 MLMs that I could identify (Amway, Origami Owl, LulaRoe, Younique, ItWorks!, Thirty One, and Thrive oops, thats SEVEN); theyd already had to file bankruptcy in 2015; and now they were about to lose their house due to not being able to pay their bills. There are no words . She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. 4. He went from great dad to not wanting anything to do with them, me or any responsibilities. Once into the oil she gulped in the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge and died as a result of this as well as being unconscious. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. Correct. And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. It is most likely that the girls were dead by 6 PM Sunday night already, which was why Chris couldnt reschedule the murders as soon as he heard ShanAnns flight would be delayed, thereby cutting dangerously into his cleanup time. I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. As previously reported, Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant at the time of her murder, with a baby boy the couple had already named Niko. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. 53 102 comments sorted by New Add a Comment its pretty clear they went to bed like normal >>>How is it pretty clear? Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. Perhaps they had one via phone or text. Maybe body positioning and gravity? Chris went to an oil well job site to check out it. And to come home to a cheating bum! Thats fine, but since thats the case, its better that you head elsewhere where youll feel more comfortable. I was in one temporarily an Acai drink, it really tried to make you ocd about $ and prestige attaining the unattainable honestly. Could be so because Shanann had no defensive wounds and he said she didnt fight. He just didnt want another baby. During decomposition, gasses cause stuff to come out but thats a different matter. No sign of that either. No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. through the skin in heated arguments which are undetectable to the human nose in the same way attraction pheromones are undetectable to our noses ). If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. These may have been caused by an object, such as a necklace worn by the victim, or fabric, such as heavy-duty leather (such as a motorcycle jacket being worn by the murderer), and being compressed between the arm of the assailant and the neck/face of the victim. These are just my opinions (based on zero knowledge). You know what they say, Sara.once you let your attacker get paper bags on your hands, theres no defending yourself. The sheets were off because he used the fitted sheet to wrap her body in because of its rounded corners, he said this to the investigators. After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. She even labelled food in her kitchen. Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. This is horrific, shocking, my mind is greatly troubled by this aspect. PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. Chris is dead inside. I did mention that Shanann was still in love with him and wanted a child with, and wanted to work on their marriage right up until the moment of her death. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. The mark on his neck might have been from Bella; Shanann had really long nails. Considering the size of shananns house before they moved there. All those purchases, that expensive leased SUV that LeVel would only give her a car allowance for if she kept her sales up, the expensive preschool, the too-big house with all the fancy furnishings, several closets full of expensive shoes-shoes-shoes (yet she wore the same pair of flipflops every day), multiple purses, more clothes than one person could possibly be using, on and on and on. On page six of the report in the General Internal Examination findings, it states:- I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. Bella and Celeste were thrown away, the prosecutor said adding that investigators found scratch marks on one of the girls bodies and tufts of hair on the opening to one of the oil tanks, the television station reported. Her death was the only one categorized as violent by the coroner Maybe we can do a group letter and petition: dear Watts, what happened??! Colorado is very rural. So if his parents are doing interviews and book deals, he gets it honest I reckon. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. Jayne is an EXTREMELY experienced K9 handler she can be seen in action in the Docu-Movie Missing 411. 2. He asked to speak to his father before confessing. Im just saying if her friend had never come over. This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! After 2nd child, changed. She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. He has an incredible amount of knowledge and has a lot of experience being an investigative reporter and author of many blogs and books. Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. On the police cams you can just see hi. He knew this too, which is why he was so brazen using the card that weekend. I take comfort in that, Bella and Cee Cee likely had no idea it was their dad doing that to them, but he wouldve wanted Shanann to know he was ending her life. Chris probably told shannan that shed never see the kids again.. Had he planned this out, he would have killed them earlier, left in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of the bodiesnot as the sun was coming up as seen in the tape. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. Dont forget, she is pregnant. ~KSmallz. He is very thorough, very professional, analyses and peels back all the layers. It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. And the decision to move Chris out of state as well? In theory, you should find some evidence, which did not find. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. Then I think he went into the girls rooms. Not as bright. My youngest daughter slept in a bra as well. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. 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