The way Christie was coached did not correspond to the reality of the direct evidence. The grandparents were babysitting the children often and had several children who were well adjusted. On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? Lockdowns in . There are documented cases of suicides where the person has no GNR, as well as murder cases. Inside, outside, top to bottom. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. Plus according to an expert at trial, her testimony did not match the blood spatter analysis in the car. I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. The way this investigation and the trial were conducted only left me with doubts. Diane Downs was convicted because she didn't appear "sorry enough" during her TV appearances. The court can just do an APR, Assignment of Parental Rights. He should have let someone else handle the case or let someone else adopt the kids. The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Dianes visitations with her children altogether. Page 10 of Case History. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. I understand that the authorities were afraid to leave the two remaining children under her care if they thought she was guilty, but they could have been released to the grandparents or other blood relatives with supervised visits from their mom considering that she was not charged with any crime. It was never a slam dunk. Danny downs did indeed say a man shot him he also blamed a cartoon character. According to Diane, she then saw a man on the road flagging her and stopped thinking he needed help. She had a bullet wound in the arm, and the three kids in the back of the blood-soaked car had all been shot at close range. I did not shoot my children.. There is only one major problem with your scenario. This case had many similarities to the Alice Crimminsstory. She has an excellent conduct report and never reacted violently to any of the harassment from other inmates. Speculative. Fingerprints at the crime scene were not produced by the State. She did it. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. It could have been very different at almost any other time or with any other attorneys or juries too. Is it the one you tried to use? Mrs. Fredericksons concern for her daughters emotional state was well placed. They felt safe there. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? Wrong. Modernism mixed with Medieval state of mind. Every single one. It is said that they didn't go to Steve because he wasn't a fit father or well equipped to take care of children who had gone through such a traumatic experience. The kids were shorted-changed. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. Child Protective Services takes confidentiality to the extreme (warranted in most cases). I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that dont want youi did one night stands during my chase..to try to get over himits was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. This really makes me angry, that prosecuter and judge should be sued along with the writter. A reader told me that I should have a website with all the comments. But there was a lot left unsaid about this relationship. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago: speculative, Ill stop there. Despite all of this: that the attorney became a Foster Carer irrelevant, inflammatory, subjective and bears no reflection on the trial, or indeed the trial outcome. The guy should have walked away from the case or from adopting them. Q. For the children to be legally free for adoption a termination of parental rights had to occur. She had no blood spatter or gun powder residue on her hands,clothing or hair. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. This coercion came to Dianes attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39). Page 41 of case history. time it was the situation was down. And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). Hysteria. I am pointing them out. It surely was not due process. The jurors had doubts. In high school, she met handsome Steven Downs who saw her for the great beauty she had become. Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. I dont believe there was a CK. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. , The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie, Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book, Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), The Diane Downs Case Was no Small Sacrifice. The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. Flash-forward to the present day. They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. One of the jurors finally declared. It does not contradict what I said, but what they said. You are right. I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. Simply because I researched them. Steven and Diane married on November 13, 1973. He was very irresponsible and probably could not handle them financially and emotionally. Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. She repeated it years later at school. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. . On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. You dont get any kind of advancement or rehabilitation in prison. I followed the trial. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. Nobody near to help. Diane asked for proof that her ex husband was behind the shooting. I have no dog in this race. Spending 35 years incarcerated with time in isolation and often as a target is not going to improve mental health. When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. They now have social media arenas reminiscent of the Romans cheering at the sight of a thumb down meaning there will be a bloodshed. Is. After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. The Six Degrees of Separation of Nancy Grace, Kelli Stapleton- A Mother's Wuthering Woes, http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story, http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf, http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php, http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n364/a03.html, http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080910_Prison-happy_U_S__must_reconsider_use_of_mercy.html, http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228, https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives, Say Her Name But Spell It Right The Tale of Breonna Taylor, And Justice For All The Watts Family Murders, Babe in the Woods & Big Country The Murder of Nicole Vanderheyden, Colonel Russell Williams Where Have You Been? I think u need to read the facts. . I especially loved reading everyones comments. It should have been investigated further. Click to read The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. Would you know at what speed you are going if you were shot and driving with wounded children in the car? The fact that she and her brother Danny were eventually adopted by Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs is the most blatant case of conflict of interest I have ever heard of. http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php Hugi did not want that. Very little is definitively known in this area. She unwillingly followed the cops in spite of being in pain and not wanting to leave the premises. But there is forensic evidence pointing to Diane Downs. She did not fit in and was now anxious to assert her independence and live her own life. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. Q. Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. Shes guilty. Then feel free to correct the facts and to provide evidence to support them. Isnt is odd how something we are exposed to as children can stick in our memory? They now throw people in prison in the US for debts. And she should be allowed parole! If thats what you want then dont pretend its anything but. That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. Diane found a full-time job with the U.S. Post Office in 1981, and was stationed in Chandler. By the way, Dianes parents mourn the loss of their grandchildren to this day. It is called a conflict of interest. This unexpected proposal took Diane by surprise at a large family gathering. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. I go through every new finding and I point out what was done at trial that did not respect due process. Do you remember about two days after that the two of you signing a lease on the apartment? In Oregon, in 1983, she shot her 3 children, 1 daughter died. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. My beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule The blog I read is all about the improprieties and flat out misconduct in Dianes trial (and the way Ann Rule profited off of it with fiction). Speculative. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. 3. Problem with that is Diane has said during an interview with detectives that the sketch looks nothing like what she described. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? I look forward to reading your other blogs. Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality. Oh my. (This is why Foote was assigned the case. Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. If you use this mixed water, you can lift off a gunpowder stain.. The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. Diane needs some serious spiritual advancement and atonement before she ever will have or deserve peace. Im sorry but your article is tosh. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. She felt fulfilled when she was pregnant because she believedit was the road to unconditional love. (Appendix 3). Diane was sentenced to life plus 50 years. I wanted to ask you something on this case. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. While these are all good questions, (and were maybe all asked in the jury room during deliberations) I doubt the answers even matter anymore. Where is the blood spatter on Diane? What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? If not from her high profile status, she would already be out. The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. Instead, there is blood splatter on the ceiling of the car. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. It probably makes you feel so good. In reply to Kit The fact that they used her daughter and lied about the gun they could never find makes it a wrongful conviction. Christie Downs was eight-years old when she was injured and nine-years old when she testified. So there was a transfer, but nothing else was found. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. Click to listen to podcast explaining the gun test, Dianes mental condition and the lack of forensic evidence. In fact, with her continuing to deny committing the crime or expressing remorse, she may never get out. Also, I agree he does look a little like the actor who played Fred Hugi but I think it might be a coincidence. I had never heard of this case and fell upon several videos that had me completely convinced DD was a narcissistic psychopath. CK allowed DD to drive away despite the fact she could identify him and he had a gun? She even provided the police with her own sketch. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. Tracy, I never said she was in the car. Around 1 in 20 residents in Arkansas and Tennessee were missed during the 2020 census, and four other U.S. states had significant undercounts of their populations which could shortchange them Most people negotiate the ups and downs of . And of course, she added her own brand of paranoia, which is to be expected considering her personality disorder and what she went through. But if the blogger is arguing that the blog is balanced and objective, thats patently untrue. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. Id have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico. The twosome first crossed paths in 2003 when Shahi. The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. No OTHER reason. I worked for county government child welfare for a decade. Until the end of the trial. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. You do not refute any of the points I made in the blogs. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. As we have reported in great detail in the past, Diane Downs could not possibly have committed the crime of shooting her children, or there would have been evidence of gunpowder residue and blood. more on crime HEARTBREAKING FIND The Office star's sister-in-law found dead 11 days after going missing 'DISGUSTING' Ive done my research. I agree about pregnancy and childbirth affecting women differently, and even having different effects for the same woman with different pregnancies. Her son ended up in jail and ONeils children accused him of neglect and bad parenting. Once you are vilified in the media in the US, the way Downs and others have been, a lot of people shut their eyes and their mind to any other possibility than what was presented in the court of public opinion. I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. Again I go back to how times were back then. John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession: inflammatory They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative The judge who took away her children presided over her criminal trial. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. I see that Downs had a parole hearing in late 2020 but I cant see the outcome. Yes Gigi, the same judge who had removed the children was also presiding over her trial. Maher also didn't specify that two of three authors weren't even from Johns Hopkins University: Jonas Herby, MS, whom the working paper described as a special advisor at Center for Political . I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular. What I believe doesnt matter at all. They finally charged her and she did 10 years for the death of her children. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact I actually do not know what really happened. It should be removed from the blog. I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. Yet that didnt stop Knick from asking Mr. Frederickson for a job and for Dianes hand in marriage (Appendix 81, page Case History Page 25). So imagine when you are troubled to begin with. I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted. During closing arguments, Fred Hugi said that the murder weapon used by Diane was a Ruger, and the state had the model number and the bill of sale. I had nonetheless heard of the legendary Diane Downs; the cruel sociopath who had sacrificed her own children to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she loved. At that timeand now!! So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. Also Im curious as to how you feel her repeated escape attempts should affect her deserving to be on parole. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differently we been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence proven. As for where he is now, we'll be honest, we're not completely sure. I dont know the woman. He failed. Instead of grieving, Alice went partying and had sex. I remember when it was in the news. It was pretty apparent during the course of this saga that the media and the state were willing to give a free pass to anyone willing to badmouth Diane. This whole case is flawed. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. This was the prosecution and conviction of (Elizabeth) Diane Downs who has now been incarcerated for too many years in one of Californias (overcrowded) State prisons. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. The children were in the hospital, it isnt like they could have taken them home. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. That towel should have been soaked in their blood not hers. Yeah, Ive noticed a lot of people thing Jim Jagger is Fred Hugi. Steve Downs had allegedly stolen this gun from a friend named Billy Proctor, but after it was found and the ballistics did not match, Bill suddenly remembered keeping it only for a day before exchanging it for another Ruger automatic at a gun show in Mesa; which now meant that the gun that Diane allegedly used to shoot herself and the children, was still apparently nowhere to be found. It is also very is to clean. The underlying basis of this article. A fact strongly denied by Diane and by the nurses reports. The implication was not only cruel, in the light of what Diane was suffering, it was also clear. They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. Agreed. They rarely get a break. 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