I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. If you dont like it, too bad. It does say that if you are not careful many with money err from the faith and it also says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil, NOT MONEY ITSELF. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. (2Tim. From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. Finally, I just checked my Amazon app and what do you know, the book I mentioned is still for sale at 3.50 and there are 8 copies left. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. 1. Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. So it wasnt all bad. I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. Opinion Preston Clegg. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. 2. [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. Opinion Mark Wingfield. More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. [42] Furtick responded to this comment in his 2016 book Unqualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. Is this success? Truth in love. What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! Required fields are marked *. [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. . The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. In 1960, after a year off, he was accepted to the Free Methodist Churchs Los Angeles Pacific College, where in his senior year he observed two games of football, going on field once for one play (see 1962 yearbook statistics). . You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. 3. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. Cho resigned the next day. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! It was not an accusation, nor an attack. You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. PPS. [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? A point you also mentioned. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. He concludes that he is far from the principles of the reformed faith in many ways and explains why he thinks that. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. Its a sad fact that this nonsense is already here in Scotland supported by the new breed of self appointed apostles and prophets. He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! In the sermon above Stephen lets out a wee quip at the beginning when responding to some criticism go start your own church. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. You said he was a great example, I urged caution and pointed to a recent event where he and his church had attracted adverse publicity because of how they handled a particular incident. Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. Name me one church that has handled everything well. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. It happens. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. What am I gonna do? That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. Cameron Buettel, Grace To You, Hillsong, Jeremiah Johnson, music, worship. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. It is sometimes quite difficult to know how to answer you because of the way in which you misrepresent what is being said. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. When searching for churches outside of the United States, please search using city, country. "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. http://religionnews.com/2016/05/11/why-pastor-steven-furtick-skirts-scandalous-questions/. In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? . The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? Join Transformation church Sunday service at 11AM with Michael Todd, Live Stream (April-24-2022). If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. MacArthur responded, "Go home." He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. Paragraph. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. But to me that is clear what it is. It was a fantastic balance of biblical theology and Christ centered worship. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. The digressive discussion of church trappings in some ways diminishes the toxic nature of this actual ministry content its danger isnt in size or wealth or me focus, it is in the false gospel it promotes he is not qualified to preach. Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. 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