Here's what the numbers tell us. This means, gunnery wise, you're paying more money for a worse experience. Florida man, Florida man Guess the tune. It's just a matter of making the ship fun and/or interesting to play. Well, this accidentally turned into a much longer review than I had intended. I was originally just going to line up Florida alongside California, compare the two and then pull a surprise-reveal that they both suck equally. Instead, I learned last week that Ship Comrade, the site run by @Critter8 that has hosted my reviews since the first quarter of 2016 was going to close down. Instead of working on how to cleverly cast shade on anyone that enjoyed either one of these tier VII American premium battleships, I spent the better part of two days going through years worth of archived jpegs and text, reflecting on the years I've spent writing for World of Warships and all of the help, support and encouragement Critter8 provided me. Really highlights the value of crossing the T - which, of course, no one doesbecause it doesnt work in WoWS. She would have felt immediately tankier but still vulnerable to higher tiered ships. When it comes to Florida vs California to live, Florida is significantly more affordable than most parts of California. There's lots of ways they could have gone about it, though I think the most elegant solution would have been to give her 32mm structural plate on her bow, stern, deck and upper hull, akin to a tier VIII battleship. However, the larger map sizes makes this a lot more problematic. WebA Captain's hands-on guide to effectively helming the U.S. I have spent a TON! Obsolete and irrelevant before she even hits the water. Arizona is "long ranged" for a tier VI battleship once you install Gun Fire Control System Modification 1, so you largely duplicate California's schtick there too. AP penetration is more of a contentious issue for Florida. You can see just how massive her 35mm anti-torpedo bulges are. It's akin to (but not a copy of) the UFO-style acceleration found on British cruisers and destroyers. Now that said, with this high-profile release covered and my feels (hopefully) clearly broadcast, I'm taking some much needed time off. California has higher sigma (1.9 vs 1.8). VERDICT: You would think that for a sniper-battleship, her guns would be fun. But they're not fun. I didn't have fun at all with these weapons (except for maybe paddling a lolibote or two at very close range. The historical design was called for a ship with nine 250 mm guns in three triple turrets with two superfiring at the front and one at the rear. Shells which fuse inside this bulge but outside of the hull spaces underneath result in zero damage penetrations. Still, she's not far removed from Arizona -- like, the differences are barely perceptible. ET. You can largely forget applying those brawling skills or getting to cap or even angling to mitigate damage -- it's just not applicable. Maybe Repair Party needs to be a little less unique on cruisers, other than UK zombie type or other such quirks. California, like most of her standard battleship relatives, features a 26mm bow, stern, and most of her deck. While at lower tiers this may be enough to deflect enemy fire, the normalization of the 406mm or higher guns at tier VIII and IX means that players will have to be careful in engagements against most higher tier battleships. But given CA's epic history, it does irritate me to see so much love lavished on their napkinwaffe RU BB and KM CV lines, while CA gets this treatment. As good as California's lateral protection is, her big weak spot is her bow. The Tigers got monster performances from a pair of standouts in Angel Reese and Jasmine Carson, who each scored 25 points in a win that saw them walk away holding I'd actually rather get California, because she's an extension of a ship type (US Standards) thatI have played a lot and really enjoy. Yet CDC data indicates that California's death rate is gaining ground on Florida, with seven-day average daily deaths at 1.4 per 100,000 residents, compared to Fair enough. California doesn't make up for her main battery gunnery with her secondaries. Unfortunately she can't really take advantage as well as another battleship might because of her slowness. Once again, here are some dispersion tests. Over on the defensive end, the Panthers The victory snapped a three-game losing streak and was only the third in February following the upset of the Tennessee Volunteers to open the month along with a In her third slot, you have the choice between a, In the second slot, begin your fire resistance build with, Most people are going to want to spring for more range for California and thus, 3% bonus concealment from surface targets, 10% reduction to post-battle service costs, California has more range (19.9km vs 16km), California's AP shells do more damage (10,500 vs 10,300), California has a faster reload (34.2s vs 35s). As for the ship herself, WG pitched her at someone who wants a moderately fast (not quite 30kt, but not 20 either) US BB with lots of gun barrels at Tier 7. California is a beautiful port queen that doesn't live up to her fantastic history. The final difference is cost. Irrelevant trivia time. There is a 16mm hidden plate dividing the upper and lower parts of Florida's citadel. The line of it can be found between her 285mm upper belt the 213mm of her lower belt. Florida had a cumulative rate as much as 84% higher than Californias last fall. Florida, on the other hand, would be much more enjoyable if Wow. This picture is the best thing I could think ofto illustrate CA's introduction to WoWs. Summary so far: You're buying a longer-ranged Arizona. Thank you @LittleWhiteMouse. with florida you a lot of retired folk from around the country. WG!!! For me, Lyon is the best BB for Narai, Ashitaka being the second, due to their speed and DPM. No, really. Base/Minimum Surface Detection: 13.5km / 11.79kmBase/Minimum Air Detection Range: 9.69km/ 8.72kmDetection Range When Firing in Smoke: 11.71km. While tier VI carriers have to respect your AA firepower they can still strike you. Most of those nice, tight groups are gonna miss anyways. The only Florida Ive seen in Narai was deleted 3 minutes in somehow. In their hot shooting performance, the Tar Heels saw four players make three or more made 3s in a game the first time in program history. Florida seems to have the speed to get to this position. The issue is their inflexibility. HE pen on cruisers needs to be standardized beyond say national things like Germany having 1/4. This is why I frown on a difference of 0.1 sigma being used as a selling feature -- it's a "spreadsheet" value that will affect a ship over the course of several games but isn't likely to be significant within a single match. UK HE rockets and SAP ones, maybe HE vs AP but more unique could be to bypass bombs for a second smaller TB group since they focused on torp carrying planes that could also carry bombs, and skip bombing would be another option. TV: ESPN ( Watch and stream the game live on ESPN+) RADIO: Tar Heel Sports Network. California uses New Mexico's 356mm/50 caliber guns rather than Arizona's 356mm/45s. Live stream California vs. Florida State on fuboTV: Start with a 7-day free trial! Here's a better view of how deep California's belt extends. Horrible rudder shift time of 15.4 seconds. Now, Republican Florida Gov. The moneyline odds say Florida has a 62.3% chance of winning this game. Wargaming burned me once too often in World of Tanks. Without allies to road-block, California will be run down, sneaky or not. The totals have gone OVER in 7 of Queens' 11 last games at home. The Roma is performing fairly well compared to other tier 8 BB's and she is far from the strongest with some incredibly glaring weaknesses. Jones Angell, play-by North Florida are 4-1 in their last 5 games. TV: ESPN ( Watch and stream the game live on ESPN+) RADIO: Tar Heel Sports Network. Base/Minimum Surface Detection: 13.86km / 12.1kmBase/Minimum Air Detection Range: 10.08km/9.07kmDetection Range When Firing in Smoke: 12.01kmMaximum Firing Range: Between 18.62km and 25.92km, Flordia's concealment values are pretty darned good. She doesn't quite get into that magical sub-12km surface detection range which is quite impressive for a battleship, but at least she gets close. Given her preferred engagement distance, it's pretty easy for this ship to drop off from detection range in typical encounters -- especially given her long reload. If she had a bit more grunt in her engines, controlling the engagement through use of her stealth would be a lot more feasible, but her 27 knot top speed just isn't enough to kite away from all of the battleships she faces, to say nothing of cruisers and destroyers.. So here's California's main selling feature. You need to play a total of 20 battles to post in this section. But so far CV's under the rework have mostly lacked that and are a farce. The 0.8s improved reload time and harder hitting AP shells are okay, but you can't feel the 0.1 sigma difference. Louisiana: $2,546. Ships with stars have been changed or added since patch 0.9.6. Whenever I use a BB for Narai, I prefer to go east of convoy so that I can catch MO broadside when it turns. The sales tax in Florida is 6% whereas in California it is 7.25%. They could have made California powerful. The Wildcats score just 1.4 fewer points per game (67.4) than the Gators give up (68.8). You are usually not shot at by much due to how target selection of bots works, so Florida's armor won't be a big issue even with the short combat range in OPs. Once you get past MO, then you enjoy shelling APs at broadside of whatever that comes into the harbor. If she can't be powerful, she needs to be interesting and she fails at that utterly. There's nothing too surprising about California's options. She rewards good aim and positioning - she needs to find USS California's inclusion in World of Warships bothers me on so many levels. +1 on the review but I am enjoying the Florida. Were it not for her horribly slow speed, I'd have given her a 'simple' rating. Thank you for the preemptive warning, I mean review on this one. This picture is the best thing I could think of to illustrate CA's introduction to Once engaged at medium-range, there's really not much this ship can do about it short of trying to fight her way out. The most dangerous shots come from medium to long range where shells have a bit of drop going for them to strike beneath the waterline and angle towards the citadel. If for any particular reason I needa fast American battleship, I have Georgia.. No, she isn't. I wish this could have meant more than it does. I was curious about this ship as i really love playing Arizona. When it comes to my battleships, I know what I like. Her horrible gun fire angles necessitate that she swing out and show a lot more broadside in order to bring the weight of fire to bear on targets. VERDICT: Honestly, some of the best AA defence we've seen in a long time. I'm kinda shocked. Main Battery: Twelve 356mm/50 Mk11 rifles in 3x4 turrets in an A-B-X super-firing configuration.Secondary Battery: Sixteen 127mm/38 guns in 6x2 turrets and 4x1 turrets. Thx mouse. And another premium ship to skip, even Zoup has a different opinion. USN could choose between type of plane, type of ordnance, etc. Floridas games this season have gone over 6.5 goals 37 of 62 times. Has one fewer Repair Party charges than most other battleships. You have a lot to learn from Ms. Florida played solid defense throughout the night, holding Georgia to 33.3 percent from the field and 18.2 percent from 3-point range (4-of-22) while recording 8 steals and 6 blocked shots. Picking her up and farming some damage is pretty easy. Now, let me be clear: Arizona, the tier VI American premium, is awesome. This can be especially problematic if you've boosted her range and there are silly things like a bored Musashi or Champagne itching for targets. Skill Floor: Simple / Casual / CHALLENGING / DifficultSkill Ceiling: Low / Moderate / HIGH / Difficult. Hmm Thanks Mouse really good food for thought. Personally, I find the Florida to be a better ship than the California. Overall, the accuracy is very good, but not "crazy". This is the first meeting of the season between the two programs both coming off of big, emotional wins. The following is a review of USS Florida, the tier VII American premium battleship. Arizona has better upper-hull armour. Make it that maybe it's worth making a sneakierBB build to sort of flank an enemy team when in a faster one then surprise them., Unless you remove skill entirely - there will never be no 'optimal build' for a ship, even a type may still have one that is considered overall 'better' than the others - but they can at least make it choosing to run secondary build on German and French BB's is a choice in style more than a handicap. I fear that these buffs will blindside people to what is nothing more than an already existing tier VI premium with a tier VII price tag. They are held in all 50 states and all Canadian provinces. It's such a bloody shame. Let's pretend Arizona doesn't exist. March 1, 2023 10:00 am CT. Auburn baseball plays Florida A&M on Wednesday evening, and if youre wondering how you can watch the action live, youve come to the right place. Florida's citadel layout tells you all you really need to know about this ship's durability. The TL:DR is that her citadel abuts against the exterior of her hull and it sits above the waterline. With only 285mm worth of belt protection, this exposed "T-section" of her citadel is stupid-easy to bullseye for waterline-aimed shots from enemy battleships. For 380mm+ AP shells aimed at her bows, her transverse bulkhead is almost as vulnerable. Double Down, Ohio! I wouldn't be a Community Contributor (CC) if it weren't for Critter8. I'm not sure the WGNA CC-program would have even existed if it weren't for him. Back in 2015, before there was a Community Contributor program, content creators like myself worked unsupported by Wargaming in any capacity. The predecessor to the NA-CC program was Club Wargaming which promised the world and delivered nothing but a booger-green title on the forums. Club Wargaming included dozens of content creators which had sprung up during Closed and Open Beta, including some big names like @PhlyDaily. All of us were paying out of pocket to produce content or having to rely on donations from fans to get access to the newest premium content. Critter8 took exception to this. He had made Ship Comrade -- a fan site whose best early features included tracking Rank Battle progress and had one of (if not THE) first Captain Skill calculator. He took his fandom seriously and wanted a professional relationship with Wargaming to facilitate content production. I bought the super Pershing in Tanks.. opps. However this gap isn't quite as pronounced as the difference in speed would suggest as Arizona has higher Krupp, a coefficient WG uses to directly modify penetration values. WebFlorida has an improved dispersion formula, but poor sigma. Every CL which sneak at you can pen you for days. However, she has enough problems already without considering CV strikes. Take this review lightly. Mouse, while knowledgeable, is subject to her own personal biases, likes, preferences, just like the rest of us. I HATE w I'm left to wonder what the point of California's design implementation as is. Thanks for your time on the review @LittleWhiteMouse. And I'm fine with that as long as they give us module choices like in RTS to customize are play. I want to head off any impulse purchases and warn players that they're not getting a ship worthy of California's name. Time to re-use a graphic because battleship skill optimization has stagnated! I swear, she posts these right when I'm off to work now to give other people a chance to reply first :P. Take this review lightly. This would have made her functionally as fast as Nagato under manoeuvres. Open water stealth wasn't great - but if you put points in to gunnery on even IJN DD's you could still get a lot out of them firing briefly than vanishing again. Horrible gun handling and appalling gun firing angles. ET (ESPN). Before patch 0.8.0, the levels of AA firepower California puts out would have been formidable and worth celebrating. By Deposit $200, Get $250. Florida man, Florida man Guess the tune. Florida has access to two different camouflage patterns. By default, she comes with Type 10 Camouflage. However. Her turning radius of 760m is decent. It's not amazing, but it's alright. I think in this regard the ship is somewhat worth it. California has more range (19.9km vs 16km) California's AP shells do more damage (10,500 vs 10,300) California has a faster reload (34.2s vs 35s) California's AP With a base 900m advantage over Arizona, this is supposed to facilitate not only engaging the enemy but escaping from difficult situations. Both wins and 109k average damage. Her 27 knot top speed has the illusion of meaning something only because she's an American battleship. All other American battleships from tier VII and below cap out around 21 knots as their top speed. With the nerfing to American Standard-type battleship agility with patch 0.9.6 Florida's speed advantage is even more pronounced. Were she a battleship from any other nation, her 27 knot top speed would be unremarkable. So yes, Florida is faster than Colorado or California. Big deal. So is everything else at this tier. That depends on the player. Aside from a few times, the last run of Narai had me using no other vessel than Florida. I've very much enjoyed using her there. As pointed out, she is squishy. If you nose on to MO and the CO that shows later on (and they take a liking to you), they'll very easily citadel you. If you angle properly however, you will bounce them all day long (minus the occasion stray that can and will hurt). Avoid going nose on against any of the BB's regardless, and sure as spork do not show too much side either. LOCATION: Donald L. Tucker Center in Tallahassee, Florida. She can contribute. As of December 2020, Floridas (preliminary) unemployment rate was at 6.1% while Californias was 9%. One of these is California, the other Arizona. I do so hope they finally understand how important an active, vocal gaming community is to a game such as WoWS., Thanks for sharing a bit of history with us., Awesome retrospective. Florida's secondaries are too short ranged to be worth specializing into. They also lack the accuracy buff that makes Massachusetts and Georgia such units. These twin factors are enough to discourage anyone from spending skills or upgrade slots on them, to say nothing of Florida's durability issues (which I will [edited] about at length below).. Such wasted potential. Are they good enough to be tier VII guns? Lert really helped me appreciate the game play of the "American Bricks" way back in 2016. She would have been a meme the way USS Texas used to be down at tier V. Now such AA firepower is merely an inconvenience to CVs. You can get a taste for this already by playing Arizona in bottom tiered matches and struggling to keep up with the pace of battle. This exaggerated manoeuvre bleeds speed (to say nothing of changing her heading and possibly navigating away from battle), further slowing her already ponderous pace. Quick Summary: A tier VII, prototype version of the North Carolina-class battleship with twelve 356mm guns instead of nine 406mm guns. She's highly accurate but her guns don't hit very hard, even for 356mm rounds. On top of this, she's super squishy. Tweak are play and all that way, far more interesting. I'm just a slightly above average player too. However, I do not love Arizona so much that I think cloning her game play and asking people to pay a premium price tag for a tier VII version is right. Now it's just a reminder of how much potential is wasted in the current meta. Pow Wows In Your State Pow Wows in California Redbird's 21st Children of Many Colors Intertribal Pow Wow 2023 Jun 2 - Jun 4, 2023 - Oxnard CA At best, you might be able to setup an ambush and catch someone unawares but that's not likely to happen -- again because of that lack of speed. Decent gunnery dispersion with 1.9 sigma. The following is a review of California, the tier VII American battleship. This ship has been provided to me by Wargaming for evaluation purposes - DD's need their stealth back, or they need survivability. This ship has been provided to me by Wargaming for evaluation purposes -- I did not have to pay for this thing, which is a good thing because I would have felt offended had I shelled out money for this horribly mistreated piece of history. Take this review lightly. I've sorted these ships by the formula I like to use (DPS x [range-1km]) to give a better, but not entirely accurate, impression of AA effectiveness -- the logic being that longer range AA is better than shorter range AA. Florida Gov. As much as I need a break right now, USS California is a big enough name to elicit sales simply merely by reputation. They're not thick enough to keep battleship caliber shells out. against a destroyer at stupid-close ranges. But against any other target, her HE is just found wanting. California uses American battleship dispersion with 1.9 sigma versus Florida's battlecruiser dispersion with 1.7 sigma. Florida feels appreciably more accurate than most other American battleships, though her lower sigma value will make her feel only slightly better than ships like California or Arizona. Florida played solid defense throughout the night, holding Georgia to 33.3 percent from the field and 18.2 percent from 3-point range (4-of-22) while recording 8 steals and 6 blocked shots. Rather than look for something new or novel, Wargaming played it safe. By LittleWhiteMouse, July 2, 2020 in General Game Discussion. The biggest advantage here is her increased range with the rest largely being window-dressings. Furthermore, that big 26mm area is just begging to receive hits from HE spam. The bot was without camouflage. Uses the improved battlecruiser dispersion instead of that of American battleships. Short of adding a turtleback, it's as well protected as you could hope it to be. +4% increased dispersion of enemy shells. Thank you for having the integrity to call WG out on their shenanigans. The Gators average only 0.2 more points than the Wildcats allow (69.3). Good concealment with a surface detection as low as 11.8km. Same with cruisers - they didn't have to cower behind islands like now, they could fire and fade away. I know it. In particular, the Florida Keys is an excellent place to snorkel. I'm getting a lot of mileage out of this graphic. This speaks a lot to how badly the skill system needs to be reworked given how optimized skill choices have become. They're perfectly adequate -- I'm not here to tell you that they're broken, bugged, under-performing or what have you. They're well balanced and put out the hurt reasonably well. In fact, they've got a lot of good things going for them including good(ish) fire arcs, good range, decent AP penetration values and that sweet, sweet battlecruiser dispersion. So what's my beef? Her rudder shift time of 15.4s is the most remarkable thing about her and not in a good way. It's slow. California is a slow reloading, reasonably accurate 356mm armed battleship. VERDICT: Pretty darned good for raw concealment values, though she struggles to spot stuff on her own. It's too bad she doesn't have the agility to make better use of this trait. For randoms it looks like she is a really tough ship to play, but what about Operations like Narai?, I give this rating 5 out of 10. There's a stigma against lower-calibre guns for having poor penetration performance and this is largely undeserved. American 356mm AP shells, for example, have very good penetration and Florida's is improved even beyond this. She is capable, for example, of penetrating upwards of 400mm worth of plate at 15km. She has more than enough punch to land citadel hits against just about any broadside target, including some of the softer-skinned battleships up to ranges of 20km. So you don't need to worry about Florida not having enough teeth to citadel an Iowa in most encounters, should the opportunity arise. I stress the word opportunity, however.. A slow American standard-type battleship with horrible gun firing arcs but improved long-range gunnery with her twelve 356mm guns. Coz no mehbote to gudbote rating. California's shells have higher muzzle velocity. Softer-skinned than contemporary battleships with 25mm extremities. The difference in penetration performance between California and Florida is manifold. Their shells have different masses (555kg for Florida vs 680.4kg for California), different shell velocities due to different drag coefficients (0.271 for Florida vs 0.331 for California) and different Krupp values (2,945 for Florida vs 2,545 for California). Florida basketball got back on the winning track on Tuesday night with a 77-67 win over the Georgia Bulldogs on the road in the penultimate regular-season game for the Gators. I find california to have more of a culture than florida. Another review done really well. Thanks for your hard work. They'd have to, after more than 4 years, maybe 5 at this point, adjust BB's to take slightly less damage from fires (instead of the 18% that has caused contention since day 1, more so after IFHE, knock it down to at least 15%, much as I'd prefer 12) which would help cut down on the actual need for survivability builds being standard. When Florida was first announced, I thought she would immediately obsolete California. I tore California a new one a few months ago for being not worth the asking price. While I do feel that Florida is a superior vessel to California, I don't feel that she's worth it either. Frankly, you're better served picking up Arizona at tier VI or even Alabama at tier VIII instead of Florida. Let me stress this: I don't think Alabama is worth the asking price either, but I would definitely recommend her over Florida. She's more reliable, if dull. The best bang for your buck for American premium battleships is Massachusetts and she's been one of the best premiums you can buy if you're shopping for one. Her primacy isn't challenged by Florida in the least. With Black Friday a little over a month away, if you're in the market for Massachusetts, then you might want to wait a month and grab it when her Black version goes back on sale if you like the cosmetic difference. I don't mean to try and sell you on other ships, my point is simply that there are a lot better choices for your time and money than investing in Florida. And finally, as nice as the extra damage is, these are still 356mm guns. A lot of what's listed above owe to the differences of the gun calibers. QueensFGCU. That hurts given her inability to overmatch 25mm armour that's so commonplace within her matchmaking spread. But seeing how she was being released reminded me of why I write these reviews in the first place: To protect other players from making bad purchases. The following is a review of USS Florida, the tier VII American premium battleship. I did not pay for this ship. It was provided to me by Wargaming for evaluation purposes. To the best of my knowledge, the statistics discussed in this review are current as of patch 0.9.9. Please be aware that her performance may change in the future. But generally, they should be returned to their previous roles that CL were better DD hunters, while CA stood a better chance vs BB's as opposed to 152 m death rain that melts everything. I bought the super Pershing in Tanks.. opps. I HATE when people hinge whether they are going to buy a ship or not based on her reivew. Gnei/Sharn is possibly more fun (depends on each person), but their guns are a lot less punchy compared to Lyon/Ashitaka, so you need to effectively use your torps. Florida Scoring. Queens are 2-3 in their last 5 games. COVID-19 Cases and Deaths in California vs Florida in Spring 2021 and Cumulative Through April 2021. 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