She embraces her skin and body, even though it doesn't fit neatly within traditional notions of what is considered 'ladylike' or 'beautiful' according to South Korean standards and prefers to pen songs about empowerment. Even if it was a joke or a passing, it wasnt very funny. Whew, Im sorry for the long post haha. Yes I should have included more context. Why was that her fault? Honestly there is nothing wrong with what they said. And this links back to other instances of Hwasa being called out for cultural appropriation, the most recent being her wearing what appeared to be a traditional Nigerian outfit on the MBC show 'I Live Alone'. or for the life of me find it again so this is unsourced for the time being. i know you deemed your siwon thing heavily unreliable but even the fanvideo is wrong. A lot of my followers have been a huge help and Ive learned a lot myself. I cant undo posting it, but I regret it and Im really, genuinely sorry for spreading incorrect information and for any of the fans I upset. if he simply stated that he thought they were gay/trans, then there isnt a problem because theres nothing wrong with a person being gay/trans. Another chose to call out an even older incident, one in which Hwasa used the n-word while covering a Beyonc song. When I say this, the person might think, Look whos talking, but I would reply, Im a boy and youre a girl, To this, both Kim Shin Young and announcer Gu Eun Young retorted, Why does gender matter in this situation? }); And it manifested almost solely around Hwasa who since the very beginning has received the bulk of the hate. That crosses every sort of line. Sorry this got a bit long but I appreciate you responding. hitType: 'event', my bias is varied between moonbyul and solar Hip is one of my most played songs ever You must log in or register to reply here. I don't think anything they have done has been malicious, however it was a product of maybe not being knowledgeable of what may be considered offensive to others. MAMAMOO debuted on June 18, 2014, along with their single "Mr. Ambiguous." MAMAMOO was commended along with their first single by the critics as one of the best K-pop debut group in 2014. All this being said, Mamamoo is truly know, not as huge award/reality show winners, but as an idol group of the people. It's just crazy how haters can twist every single thing. Im not really sure what else to say, if anyone wants to talk to me about it, thats fine. Joined: Mar 2022 #5. Mamamoo's "problematic" past (still robot voice, sorry sis) 325,340 views Sep 11, 2018 13K Dislike Share Chaennie Lisoo 38.1K subscribers In this video I take a look at one opinion in. 1. Compare this to some other idol groups with rabid fanbases, any controversy and they're ready to defend their idols to the point of issuing death threats to the critiques. And it appears they still hold her accountable for it, largely owing to past instances of appropriation, such as wearing a durag. In the show, there are co-cast members Par Na Rae and Han Ye Jin. I really dislike fat girls. In the way that we see them care for each other and their fans concerns, I really dont see how they could MEAN to hurt anyones feelings with how they might act at times. There are multiple reasons but a large one being Im just not educated enough. I recently fell in love with these girls again after I took a break from kpop. I think people need to realize that Asia is still inside a bit of a bubble when it comes to what is appropriate regarding race and cultures. }); Press J to jump to the feed. I found out that they did blackface which is disgusting and heartbreaking cause I really liked them so I stewed on it for a few days and looked again and found that they had apologised that same day 2x and that they also apologised in person the next day concert. If a celebrity said something homophobic 5 years ago but is now a huge activist in the lgbtq+ community, its likely that they were just ignorant and have learned since. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), We will be taking time to understand more about our international fans to ensure this never happens again. kpop problematic carrd! I encourage everybody to keep general discussion going, but for now, Im stepping out. Threads: 200. asked one user while another tweet read, "Dark skin or brown skin men? But- and heres the but- not forgiving them is no excuse for repeated bullying, harassment, and worse. I feel like this sounds insincere but its not, I promise, I wish I had gone about it very differently. I included links to everything that was on the list (some of which had been deleted - another thing I messed up on big time) and with certain things, I did include a bit of extra information (e.g. Things not included arent included because they DIDNT happen, stop believing lies told by edgy K-pop stans w/o any receipts. Another thing is my mental health. ", #AskHwasa biggie or tupac? From my own judgement, the members seem like good, genuine people. Mamamoo is perhaps most widely-known for writing their own music, their electric stage presence, and constant ad-libs often thrown in to make each stage as unique as it can possibly be. I dont properly feel as though I can talk about in depth because I have limited knowledge (which I probably should have specified in the post) but I didnt just pull it out of my ass, I included it because Id seen people get offended by it (though predominantly by Gain). Others were soon reminding Hwasa once again of her past mistakes, including wearing blackface along with the rest of Mamamoo in a performance where they were parodying Bruno Mars. Contents 1 History 1.1 Pre-debut 1.2 2014: Debut with Hello, and Piano Man 1.3 2015: Pink Funky 1.4 2016: Melting, MOOSICAL and Memory 1.5 2017: MOOSICAL Curtain Call and Purple She made her solo debut with the single "Spit It Out" on April 23, 2020.She released her first extended play : Face with its . Her confidence has grown through the years, due in part to her role models such as Beyonce and Rihanna, with Hwasa even saying in a now viral video Soon, I found myself promising this: If I dont fit into this generations standard of beauty, then I will have to become a different standard but prejudice based off looks has always been the sore button topic for her. Please think before you write these messages. As Ive said before, Im not a muslim, and I was just going off of what Id seen other muslim bloggers say. I'm gonna keep following them and follow my own judgement. During their concert on Friday in Seoul, Mamamoo released a. For a lot of other controversies in Korea (like addressing an older person informally), international fans may not understand those issues as well as Koreans and believe that it's no big deal. },false) If you haven't, let me enlighten you. The song itself did not originally contain the word, but the lyrics Hwasa was using were taken off the Melon website, which did. Non fans for all the questions, suggestions, reviews, anything. Koreaboo, a digital media company, also reached out to the group because of the incident, and attempted to explain to them exactly why their video was so hurtful. In this video, they wore blackface. Joined: May 2022. It is continued bashing and harassment of four girls, who for all accounts dont deserve it. Kim Yong-sun (Korean: , born February 21, 1991), better known by the stage name Solar (Korean: ), is a South Korean singer, songwriter and actress signed under RBW.She is the leader and main vocalist of girl group Mamamoo and its sub-unit Mamamoo+. I'm not dismissing them or overlooking them, but I know that there was no ill intent in what they did and that they're doing their best. It hurts my heart to see people bash them like that, it really does. Personally, from the time that I've been a fan, Mamamoo has usually apologized/acted contrite for any controversies that they've caused. Its easy for us to do because we arent in their position, I know we like to believe that we would be 100% perfect celebrities if we were given the chance, but we havent been in the spotlight for 10 years (Im sure I would have messed up far more than some of the members have over 10 years). They apologized. If you would not be able to handle it being done to you, dont do it to others, no matter how big or famous those other people are. One fan shared a detailed card about it along with the message, "And if anybody wants to get brave about their past mistakes, heres a link with receipts and explanations. Im aware people can be incredibly childish when it comes to offensive stuff in kpop, almost like its some game, like, there are actual people who look forward to exos next fuckup as though its not something that deeply upsets people. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It arguably began around late 2018 Windflower era, when antis began to change Mamamoo's music video titles to racial slurs and death threats. Its quite a big responsibility looking after this blog and Im not sure my wellbeing can take that on top of my workload and personal problems. Ive seen multiple times that idols should know better because they have internet access and should know why the n word is bad or why blackface is bad. Feels bad yo. Its so sad because I love them and hope they grow more internationally. #askhwasa pic.twitter.com/rqPYTIMaEL, And from there, the jokes just continued, "Biggie or Tupac?" Everyone seems to think that the world revolves around them. reporters on a platform technologically tailored to meet the needs of the modern reader. In terms of overlooking, I'm not sure what is expected since they've apologized for their actions and speech and the apologies have been pretty prompt. I like most of the members included in that post, please dont try to make it out like I dont, because it perpetuates the idea that fans cant criticise the things they love. Everyone, dont think of dirty thoughts!, negative comment about Taos skin being dark, cant be too chubby/fat and must have a nice body, He has darker skin than me, doesnt he?, in general, youre skin looks better if you have a lighter skin tone. kpop groups; soloists; socials and info; Back; kpop groups. Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa (Purple Backs) Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa (Mint Backs) CD version comes with 3 photocards. For the segment, the three followed outfits . To be honest, I wish Id made the suju post more like the exo one, because the exo one included a lot of the stuff people are criticising me for leaving out of this one. 1) I made this post because Ive seen people actively asking about what things suju have done and whether we have a masterpost, this wasnt supposed to be a resource for people to use to justify their hate for suju, however if a person does hate suju because of things members have said/done that is up to them. I do understand that some things which look like reaches to other people arent always reaches though. Mamamoo are good, genuine people. I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people(so being black) I decided to some research to find out. The thing is, it is not just another joke. The K-POP idol's vocal talent is considered one of the best in the industry and yet, she continues to receive a great amount of . i am so so tired. The group officially debuted with their single "Mr. Ambiguous" on June 18, 2014. Also I see hate being normalised and even being defended its not hard if u don't want to forgive them then just ignore or block all mentions of them. okay so people seemed to find my exo masterpost pretty helpful and I'm very aware that suju aren't exactly the least offensive group around, so (since the YFIP one isn't very up-to-date) I thought I'd make a super junior masterpost since I'm a suju fan and I want to provide helpful resources for other fans . Watch popular content from the following creators: natalie(@chuusvideogame), matching pfp with @asapminho(@ryyujinnn), Malaiya<3 (@soulspotato__), donnie<3(@twicesring), number one heejin stan(@realchaeyoungpark) . But seeing these articles faze me. However it did look dumb not going to lie not a good look and hopes she does not it again. This brings us now to the true reason for this article. Ive heard Moomoos are known as fairly passive, but its also why they are known as some of the most accepting and even better behaved fans. I only made the post because Ive personally received asks about whether or not there is a Super Junior master post and whether specific members have done anything, and thought itd be easy to compile a list, seeing as thats sorta what this blog is for. One user asked, "Which culture did u enjoy appropriating the most," while another quipped, "Can we have a spoiler? not excusing it or defending, but Henry was a little boy from Canada, and that kind of fan service is really odd in general to the West, Id hardly call that problematic. Most of the controveries are from a while back (solar imitating her senior, the strawberry jam song). The most ridiculous thing I have heard it that Hwasa try to be black like how by being Confident and unapologetic about her skin tone, clothing and looks cause she radiates hotness. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Mamamoo are good, genuine people. The thing to note here is that Hwasa is not fluent in English. (Also just a little side note, I know people arent aware and I havent specified it on this blog, but please dont refer to me with she/her pronouns! Ngl I let out a couples laughs tho. document.querySelector("#ads").addEventListener('click',function(){ Thanks for posting this. Im honestly not trying to tell people that everybody on that list is a problematic asshole, as Ive said before, Heechul is one of my ultimate biases and I dont think hes a problematic asshole. hitType: 'event', We have, arguably, a smaller fan base in a way - at least internationally - so its a little easier to see those hate thorns in-between the roses. Your question/message will be answered rudely or even deleted if you have not read the FAQ first. Coming in at last place is the debut single of NMIXX, O.O.This song now also holds the distinction of having the lowest average in the history of KSOTY. Some people are a bit skeptic of whether or not I actually like Super Junior, which I can understand, but I would like to clarify that I do. hitType: 'event', | by unchangingtruth | Medium Write Sign up Sign In 500 Apologies, but something went wrong on our end. heechul just wore a scarf on his head - thats not how anyone wears a hijab properly and white women have been doing that since like the 40s. To discuss the bullying and harassment Mamamoo now receives daily, we must first lay out what originally brought out all the hate. The thing that happened next is the thing often referenced the most when discussing Mamamoos past, Hwasa singing the n-word. ourbridgeisforever:. Because of MISTAKES. Thats not true. Korean girl group Mamamoo apologized Saturday after a video clip aired at their concert that featured the quartet in blackface. I did include apologies though, such as Shindongs, Kangins and Zhoumis. okay so before i start this list, i just wanna clarify: i am an exo stan. The whole thing was carelessly done and not very thorough. People can and do change, me from two years ago was a huge mess of anti-social justiceness (somehow) and I used to despise blogs like the very one Im running right now. I feel like stepping back will give me more time to learn and expand my horizons and less time to speak on topics I dont actually know much about. I still like Ryeowook, I wont defend what he did, but Im still his fan. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Im aware hes from Canada, Im aware people are less touchy-feely in the west, but the fact that the thought of his band members being gay or transworried him is definitely problematic. Yet she's okay with that. Villain. 21 Feb 2023, 07:29 PM. This is extremely disheartening, as Hwasa has spent her entire life fighting against such backwards thoughts as that. Hwasa's most recent callout stemmed from her latest comeback with the track 'Maria', a song that delved into her own struggles with mental health and being on the receiving end of severe hate. eventAction: 'render' I included links to a post explaining why Siwons alleged homophobic comment was extremely dubious and likely to be untrue, though I guess I probably shouldnt have included it at all (I assumed people would go to the link). I dont know how familiar you are with vixx, but N is constantly put down by hisfriends about his appearance (specifically his skin color) and one of the things Kangin criticised him for was his self confidence, which honestly, was really, really rude and definitely uncalled for. Our hearts on fire . I can understand how a youtube translating team could mess up their translation, Ive seen it happen before, but as a person who doesnt know Korean I have to go off what Korean-speaking people tell me. },false) I promise you it wasnt a group thing. Like who is the next ethnicity youre going to offend? Um yeah they are just that close that they make fun of each other. Kissed Yewons thighs on We Got Married while carrying her on his shoulders, Persuaded Jackson (GOT7) to accompany him in going into the girls room without permission and rifling through their stuff on episode 45 of SBS Roommate, thanks for not defending the other stuff I guess, okay this is actually the last post I just find it hard to sleep when I dont resolve stuff, An Apology For the Super Junior Masterpost, I wasnt trying to paint suju as bad guys or anything I honestly just wanted to help the people whod be sending me asks, sorry to bring this up again but a few more people reblogged it. Ive privated the post because it was very poorly made and I acknowledge that, however, some of the criticism Im getting is from 1) people who havent actually read the post and 2) people who are refusing to acknowledge some of the things I did include in it. I hear people say that she added it in to a song that didn't have it on purpose but that version is on Melon. window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('slotRenderEnded', function(event) { hitType: 'event', Ive said before that my intent is to provide information, and that should include context and possible explanations, and Im sorry it didnt. You don't have to to forgive them for the blackface but I see far too much misinformation being spread and everyone just take as word. eventAction: 'click_ads' Goodnight. Theres no point calling people too sensitive, especially when the stuff pointed out causes many problems, for fans and also the members themselves (for example, Kai has shown numerous times that he is upset by/fed up with the comments on his skin). I feel like my SuJu MP wasnt anywhere near as thorough as the exo one because I have exams at the moment so I was unable to spend as much time on it, so Id really appreciate it if people sent me anything they think I missed. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people have heard of the blackface scandal. My mom would like to know #AskHwasa, is mama africa a good name for you? when in retrospect it really wasnt my place to do so and I want to say Im really, sincerely sorry about that. You are entitled to your own opinion, and if what Mamamoo has done is considered too ignorant or rude for you to support them anymore, that is 100% in your right to not excuse them for it. Joined: Sep 2021 #1. MAMAMOOWA Entertainment2015 Rainbow Bridge World (RBW)MAMAMOOMAMAMOO . And that isnt even getting into the worst of it. let gads_event; Im also scared of spreading misinformation and making mistakes (both of which are things I have done), and I dont like the idea of people feeling too intimidated to call me out when I mess up. And then later on she includes a list of problematic things that her favourite (boy) group has done and it's literally 3x as long. They're also one of the very few idol groups where everyone has expressed that they're supportive of the LGBT+ community, which is huge especially in such a conservative country like South Korea. Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa. One tweet under the #AskHwasa hashtag read, "Where did you get ur African auntie outfit from?? and I know it would've been much, much lower if I didn't force y'all to give the NMIXX songs an average of at least 3.00. Heechul put the scarf on his head as Gain was explaining why she chose to wear hers in a hijab style. ga('ads.send', { Thank you~). Im not Korean and I dont live in Korea so Im not comfortable talking about Korean social norms or anything like that, but colorism and homophobia are still bad and damaging things. I read something the other day that said we forgive the people not the actions which I think is a accurate way of thinking. It is absurd. ga('ads.send', { I messed up, a lot, and I honestly do regret making the post. TWICE - jihyo: wore a native american costume + introduced herself as ''indian jihyo . She was singing song lyrics from Melon (a Spotify-type South Korean streaming website), lyrics that had the n-word in them. Threads: 0. its actually really frustrating when sources get deleted because then theres no definite way to tell exactly what somebody said. Anyway, just my thoughts. Korean girl group Mamamoo apologized Saturday after a video clip aired at their concert that featured the quartet in blackface. The media and antis take things and blow it way out of proportion. pic.twitter.com/d4GXcv4AIt, As more fans attempted to clear the hashtag and ask for others to be kind and consider the mental health of idols like Hwasa, some couldn't help but laugh at the questions being asked. it is also very likely the kangin/n thing was scripted, considering n hung out with suju members shortly after and neither n nor kangin nor their companies were asked about it EVEN ONCE and calling someonetrash in a magazine or bts video is a big deal. 21 Jan 2023, 03:11 AM . 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